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Nine Records I'll Never Again Listen to from Start to Finish

06/12/2007 02:32 PM


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I had a conversation with Jon Mount a few nights ago about how I’m far more inclined than he is to return to mid ’90s records (or fill in the gaps from records we respectively missed). Well, there are some exceptions. One of our big talking points was the first album on this list, which got me thinking about other indie or alternative albums that I’ll likely never listen from start to finish again. Sure, I may hear a song or two, but this list is about dedicated listens. Most of these albums are from bands I even enjoy or enjoyed in the past. This list could be much, much longer, but these were the albums that stood out upon first glance at my record collection Excel database.

Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness: Every now and then my mom brings up how I got my dad to drive me to Circuit City/Media Play/etc. to pick up this album on the night of its release. I don’t have the heart to tell her that I sold the album off at some point—likely between my senior year of high school and my freshman year of college—or that this record taught me a considerable amount about how artists turn away from their strengths. Jon mentioned how he sold it off within a few days, but it was a far more gradual process of acceptance for me. I think I like some of these songs. Right? That process was helped by Billy Corgan’s radical change in appearance, in which his shaved head and increased heft encouraged me to compare him to a bloated tick in the videos and live appearances. Mirroring your supposed magnum opus’s greatest weakness in your physical appearance is an awfully noticeable tell, Billy.

In terms of the actual album, I could probably make a reasonable single disc from the era, containing the album tracks I wouldn’t mind hearing again (“Bodies,” “Stumbeleine,” “Jellybelly,” “Muzzle”) and maybe a few of the b-sides (“Set the Ray to Jerry”) from the array of singles that accompanied the album. (I officially stopped buying them after 1979 and was rather ticked about that box set.) I could complete this task so long as I never again have to hear one of Corgan’s overblown attempts to grasp at teenage angst or one of James Iha’s horribly bland vocal tracks. Part of me wonders if the switch of the dominant genre tags from “alternative” to “indie” that accompanied my casting aside of my favorite band circa age fourteen might have caused me to be a bit too rough on the Smashing Pumpkins’ later works, but remembering how bland the Zwan record was, even with Pajo and Sweeney in tow, prevents me from worrying too much.

Hum - Fillet Show: If anything, Hum replaced Smashing Pumpkins as my favorite band (admittedly remaining within “alternative”), but my later burn-out on their material had far more to do with the logistics of my fandom, like running a fan site and answering daily questions about their vague demise. Lately I’ve returned to their three main albums and found that my old stances have held up: Electra 2000 is a bit too rough in parts, but has some of their finest moments; You’d Prefer an Astronaut is thematically and musically their best album; and the over-thought gloss of Downward Is Heavenward betrays some of their better instincts (the original edge of “Comin’ Home,” the delay-heavy live intro for “Afternoon with the Axolotls,” the space of the demo version of “Ms. Lazarus”), even if the album stands up fairly well. Their debut, however, is not a record I intend to check up on. I own Fillet Show on cassette, since the CD was out of print by 1996, but I don’t think I made it through the album as a whole more than once. It’s essentially a different band: one that lacks Tim Lash’s focused leads and Matt Talbott’s introspective lyrics. And hey, those are the main things I like about Hum.

New Wet Kojak - New Wet Kojak: Competing with Hum for my favorite band status circa 1997 was Girls Against Boys, which meant that I indulged Scott McCloud and Johnny Temple’s late night jazz-ish project for a few albums. Their self-titled debut established the aesthetic (whispered Beat gibberish, dirty grooves, horns) but I don’t recall more than two actual songs on the album and I don’t want to confirm that assumption. I’m writing this at 1:30pm, which means that any New Wet Kojak material will sound downright hilarious when accompanied with the clarity of daylight. I’ll indulge the better moments of Nasty International or Do Things if I’m driving around late at night, but the self-titled will continue to collect dust on my shelf.

Jawbox - Grippe: I returned to Jawbox’s second album, Novelty, in this round of iPod Chicanery, but that does not mean I’ll be digging their debut out of my CD cabinet anytime soon. Fillet Show is an interesting point of comparison, since debut albums show the respective bands in their infancy, but whereas Fillet Show shows a different band with two different members playing essentially disparate material from the follow-up, Grippe only lacks Bill Barbot’s second guitar position, which filled out Jawbox’s sound. It’s a dry run for the considerably better Novelty, which I even assert pales in comparison to the Zach Barocas–enabled complexity of For Your Own Special Sweetheart. I won’t rule out listening to a track down the road (the Joy Division cover, “Bullet Park”), but the whole thing? No thanks.

Wolfie - Where’s Wolfie: It’s rather unfortunate that Signal Drench’s legacy is essentially a footnote in a Brent DiCrescenzo review of this album on Pitchfork, which calls out one of my contributors’ (Ty Haas) review of the record and then implies that writing Wolfie-esque music would impress “the guy who runs Signal Drench,” or, you know, me. In comparison to the bands I’d actually stake that magazine’s legacy (and the four years of my life that it involved) upon—Durian, Shiner, Rectangle, Bald Rapunzel, Tungsten74, etc.—Wolfie is an outlier. Their youthful, technically deficient indie pop does not hold up well. Whereas Awful Mess Mystery had a few passable songs for the Rentals-obsessed Kick Bright crowd (“Subroutine the Reward,” “Mockhouse”), Where’s Wolfie played up almost all of the band’s embarrassing traits—the nasal vocals, the cutesy lyrics, the fuzzy production as a vague attempt to move forward. The band themselves moved away from this approach with their later records (and the post-Wolfie band The Like Young). I can’t imagine listening to a single song from this record again, except for penance. Oh: I even own a Wolfie side project, Busytoby’s It’s Good to Be Alive, that I picked up for no more than a dollar. That record doesn’t apply to this list since I never listened to it in the first place, but maybe its memory will merit a different list.

Weezer - The Green Album: I bought this disc the week it came out, despite having heard the lead single (“Hash Pipe”) and presumably knowing better, since I had seen the band phone in a performance back in March of that year. Like the Smashing Pumpkins, it took a bit more time to recognize that Weezer had completely lost my interest, but The Green Album certainly confirmed that feeling. This album is one of the laziest displays of songwriting I can fathom. I’d sell it off, but I’m fairly sure that a million smarter people beat me to it.

Centaur - In Streams: Centaur may be the single biggest disappointment in my years of listening to music. Given the combination of the singer from Hum, the bassist from Castor, and a Champaign-Urbana scene drummer who works at Parasol, I figured that getting in on the ground floor of Centaur’s existence by attending their first ever show at a VFW in Danville, Illinois would be a rewarding experience. Most of what I remember from that show is how loose, how seemingly lazy the band’s performance was. They numbered their songs, but debated about which songs those numbers applied to. Every song boiled down to this blueprint: take a heavy riff, repeat it, sing a verse, apply wah and distortion to the riff for a solo, play another verse, sing what may be a chorus, do another solo. It was heavy and sad like early Codeine, but all too repetitive. The skeletal structures of the songs meant that those riffs became tiresome by the end of each song. Little did I know that those songs were much closer to finished than I could have imagined.

The disappointment comes from what Centaur could have been. In Streams is a profoundly sad album about some of Talbott’s personal tragedies, but making through it from start to finish is a nearly impossible task. “Wait for the Sun” is a bit lighter and fleshed out, but it’s still too long. “The Same Place” takes a solid riff and embraces its title far too much. Talbott’s meditations on life and death are intriguing, but there’s so little energy propelling them. I don’t know if adding Tim Lash’s leads would corrupt the album’s topical focus, but it’s so remarkably telling that Lash’s album as Glifted is interesting aesthetically without containing any actual songs, while Centaur’s lone effort has interesting lyrics languishing in a lack of aesthetic. I saw at least six Centaur shows without seeing much improvement from the first. I may pull out a song from time to time, but In Streams as a whole is marked with a profound sadness beyond its thematic ruminations.

Pavement - Terror Twilight: If there’s an album that I might reconsider, it’s this one. I certainly tried to like Terror Twilight, but it just encapsulates too many of late Pavement’s bad tendencies for me to sit through it as a whole ever again. The overdone production values are somewhat understandable, but the forced attempts at spontaneity are downright insulting, the “quirky” tracks like “Carrot Rope” make me shudder, and it’s a precursor to Malkmus’s underwhelming solo career. I’ll willingly listen to the following songs: “Spit on a Stranger,” “Cream of Gold,” “Major Leagues,” “Speak See Remember,” and “The Hexx,” even though the two singles are unsuitably melodramatic and “And Then…” overshadows the “The Hexx.” The middle stretch of the record is something I’d prefer to block from my memory. If I have to choose between the mixed bag swan songs of big 1990s indie rock bands, Archers of Loaf’s White Trash Heroes and Polvo’s Shapes come long before Terror Twilight.

Rex - Rex: Though Rex’s debut contains their finest song (the impossibly melancholic “Nothing Is Most Honorable Than You”), I could never make it past the album’s mid point without a concerted effort. I could probably include Rex’s overlong follow-up, C, on this list as well, and throw in their finale, 3, given its somewhat bland character in comparison to the high points of its predecessors. Rex is by no means a singles band, but they certainly aren’t a band I enjoy enough to stomach an entire album from in one sitting.




On Jun 14, 01:46 AM Michael T. Fournier said,

For real re: ‘Grippe,’ and I’m a HUGE Jawbox fan. A convincing argument could be made regarding Bill Barbot’s role in J. Robbins’ success, I think—witness the post-Bill Burning Airlines and Channels as evidence. I’d guess that Bill’s a hell of an arranger.

Oh, and ‘Terror Twilight’ is brutal.



On Jun 14, 02:31 PM dja said,

i definitely agree with fillet show, but i think i will always love mellon collie, in streams, terror twilight and especially the green album. probably more due to the memories i have associated with them than the actual albums. the last time i listened to mellon collie (a few months ago.. for the the first time in, like, five years) i actually liked it more than i did in the 90s, not less.



On Jun 15, 02:48 PM floodwatch said,

It’s kinda scary how similar our ‘90s rock experiences were and our feelings about them now. I compiled my own single-disc version of Mellon Collie at one point in time, actually. It’s up in the site archives somewhere.

Odd that Adam Wade was so phenomenal in Shudder to Think, yet didn’t really have any sort of presence on the early Jawbox records. Baracas was such a perfect fit for their later material. I used to zone out to their self-titled swan song for hours and try to wrap my head around his drumming.

I couldn’t agree more about that Centaur album – what a tremendous let-down that was when it was released! I purchased it and the infinitely superior Glifted record on the same day, lived in denial about the Centaur record for a few days, then played the shit out of that Glifted record for weeks.

I should give that first Rex record a listen again, but I remember being painfully bored by it years ago. 3 wasn’t much better, but it was pleasant enough.

I could go on for hours about this post. We should grab a beer in Boston one evening after work!



On Jun 15, 03:23 PM Sebastian said,

Re: Jawbox / Barbot: I definitely agree that his presence helps J. Robbins out considerably, even if his actual songs (“Meccano,” for example) often pale in comparison to Robbins’. He may just be a great sounding board for Robbins, but Robbins has steadily lost steam since Mission: Control.

Re: Jawbox and Wade: I remember seeing the Jealous Sound (post-Knapsack band with a solid EP and a forgettable full-length) and Wade was the drummer. I thought about telling him “You were on one of my favorite records ever!” (Pony Express), but it kind of bummed me out that the Jealous Sound wasn’t very impressive. Shudder to Think definitely lost a good amount of their appeal when he left, although more of that switch likely had to deal with Wedren’s illness.

Re: Smashing Pumpkins: Near the beginning of poker last night I heard “Tonight Tonight” and worried that the bartender at the Muddy Charles might play all of Mellon Collie over the next two hours, but he thankfully didn’t. I can understand still loving the memory of that record, but actually listening to it seems horrifying. I’ll work on a single disc (kind of like the Playing God feature at Stylus) one of these weeks.

Re: Centaur: I can’t stress enough how much seeing the band live so much took the wind out of any potential affection. It’s a moody record and that mood could strike, but I really expected more from the recorded versions of those songs.

Re: Glifted: I like this record more in theory than in execution, since there aren’t too many “songs” on the record and I rarely make it through more than half.

I’ll be out of town for a few weeks as of next Thursday, but I’m usually free Tues/Wed nights.



On Jun 15, 11:29 PM Joe said,

I completely disagree about Mellon Collie, which still feels more like “the last hurrah” than “the beginning of the end,” even if it was both. The Centaur, Weezer, and New Wet Kojak calls were spot on, though… I was so underwhelmed by In Streams that, in my twenty-year-old hubris, I actually half-snubbed Matt Talbott (i.e. trailed off in straight-up “token greeting” mode) when he thanked me for coming to Chicago to see his band some time after the record came out. (Side note: I was actually there to see Dressy Bessy with a Polyvinyl rep, which makes the story even more wince-inducing.) I’d say that you’re being unfair to Terror Twilight, but that’s only ‘cause I like more songs on it than you (apparently) do.

In other news, this is easily my favorite post in recent memory – it smacks of classic Seb Stirling smartassery, which is always a good thing.